He’s Baaack…

Unfortunately Mr. Haggard was a victim of the MATERIALS he was reading and publishing, he used and promoted "COMMUNITY" which is being sold across the board, no matter what denomination, I was forced to take a Diversity class at my GLOBAL company, during this training at work, my Sr. Pastor brought in the Purposed Driven plan, I realized that I was sitting under the SAME stuff except the PDL stuff was modified for the religious system. COMMUNITY IS CONSENSUS ( LEGION = many heads on one body ), The Marx Dialectic process of BLENDING DIFFERENT THOUGHT PATTERNS or BELIEF SYSTEMS to produce a NEW belief system. In the garden was TWO trees, one of the trees was the Knowledge of Good and Evil, this tree was MIXED FRUIT, Rick Warren has done this in the Purpose Driven Life book, thus the TREE on front, and MIXED FRUIT between the covers, if you have a copy count the number of BRIDGES in it, you see you don't have to tear down any walls of DENOMINATIONS or RELIGIONS when you BUILD BRIDGES, EACH so called "translation" he uses represents EVERY church group that uses that translation, he then MIXES these with quotes Porn writer, Athiests, Mystics etc, NOTICE the repeating of the SAME words in the book, NOTICE the thereputic terms laced through out the book, In my opinion we have a TEAM ( LEGION ) of Psycotherepists who is now in top training teaching positions in the American church. The last 6 years I have been in three churches different denominations that the "Pastors" are using the SAME PHRASES, the SAME methods, when you REMOVE the Word of God from the Leadership of our churches you have REMOVED THE HOLY ( SEPARATE ) SPIRIT ( MIND of Christ ). The Mind of Christ IS PURE, The dialectic mind is darkened, Father Son Spirit are ONE God HEAD, Remove the Word or mix it with ANYTHING then it is NOT HOLY. Mr. Warrens book is DIALOG it is building CONSENSUS with ALL the readers that read it. I'll even go as far as saying his book was written by a TEAM and NOT by one man.
The Spiritual Leadership has been and is being systimaticially removed from this nation by these IMPOSTERS.

This is long after your comment but I couldn't get past this.....
"Unfortunately Mr. Haggard was a victim ...."

NOT.

He was a willful sinner. Not a victim....

I think it would it be more credible for him if the elders he submitted to for restoration presented him to the church body finding him to be approved for limited leadership now. To stage your own comeback after such a scandal and not have the necessary spiritual covering just opens the door to more deception, manipulation and abuse of the sheep. This is often the problem with these big name personalities = no accountability to anyone but themselves!

The standards for a overseer are found in 1 Tim 3. Below are verses 2-7, several which Ted has failed to meet and will never be able to meet because of his actions. He should preach the Gospel, but not in any position of leadership. (DQ = Disqualified)

2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach (DQ), the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable (DQ in a position of leadership), hospitable, able to teach,
3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.
4 He must be one who manages his own household well (DQ), keeping his children under control with all dignity (DQ)
5 but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God? (DQ),
6 and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil.
7 And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church (DQ - he was/is a laughing stock and mockery for many), so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil (DQ - which he is, publicly for disgracing the church).

Yes, we should accept true repentance and reconcile him to the body if he is repentant. But, he is never to assume a position of leadership again.

While I do not condone what mr haggard has done, I do believe in Repentance and " restoration. The Bible speaks clearly concerning restoring the fallen brother or sister,
and my understanding of restoration means, " to once again stand in the office they once held."

To say Mr Haggard is to never assume a position of leadereship again, is not Biblical.

Where is the forgivness of God in that.?

I am not a fan of mr haggard, and my post here is not in his defence, but in defence of the Scripture. art.

artm,

Restoration is biblical, but biblical restoration is to the body, not the office. Yes, with true repentance restoration is a wonderful thing as it is witnessing a fallen brother or sister rectifying their walk, climbing back onto the narrow road. However, for one to be restored to a public office would clearly violate the prescription of 1 Tim. 3.

You ask where is the forgiveness of God if one can't be restored to office after a grievous sin. First, understand that forgiveness does not include getting everything we want. Christ promised us eternal life, not a mortal one that gratifies our every desire.

Please, read 1 Tim. 3 and ask yourself where in that description of an overseer Haggard should be allowed to again take office. I don't think you are intending to do so, but your definition of restoration has added to the biblical one and your definition of God's forgiveness has done the same.

Forgiveness is a blessing, and to be appointed a leader in the church is the same. However, the latter is one with standards and penalties. See James 3:1.

Grace and Peace,

jdj116

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I stand corrected. I think I saw Ted on some TV program like " The View" a while back. I remember thinking his response was rather sheepish, rather worldly. I saw Jimmy Swaggart the other day too. After all these years he still seemed to have no credibility. He was hard to listen to. 1 Tim 3 rings true.

I wonder if that is what they said about Peter when he came back from denying Jesus.

ForgivenMuch,

I'm trying to read your comment as you intended. Are you comparing Peter's denial of Christ to Ted's scandal as reason for Mr. Haggard to be accepted back into a leadership role?

If he has had a genuine conversion, I don't necessarily see a problem with it. I would likely be cautious. He has allowed sometime to pass and he is starting small which seems good. There should be room for acceptance among christians. Time will tell-- God can still use him.

skeeder,

Although this man may have truly repented, he is not to be accepted as a leader again. I say this according to biblical standards for overseers found in 1 Tim 3. Among the qualifications listed, an overseers is to be "above reproach" - something Ted is not and will never be after disgracing the position as a minister in Christ's name as he has.

You just can't keep the darn snakes out of the trees, can you?

(If) one has repented of his sin, God is faithful to forgive and use that person again, but why do these people who have been "caught" always try to come back and set themselves up as hierarchy in the spotlight again?
Why aren't they just content preaching as an unknown to the lost and downtrodden?
The fact that they aren't content living their lives as 'unknowns' says a lot to me on so many levels.

While I pray that this dude repented of his sin and found forgiveness, I agree that he should abstain from any role in the ministry for the rest of his life. This is a necessity as it shows other clergy members that there are absolute and severe consequences to allowing this sort of sin to enter one's life.

While I pray that this dude repented of his sin and found forgiveness, I agree that he should abstain from any role in the ministry for the rest of his life. This is a necessity as it shows other clergy members that there are absolute and severe consequences to allowing this sort of sin to enter one's life.

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

The persons who choose to sit under his teaching are "accumulating for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires." Their lack of discernment is glaring.

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,

Anyone who chooses to sit under the teaching of this man is simply getting what they've asked for...a teacher in accordance to their own desires. They're utter lack of discernment is glaring.